Wow.

What games are you playing? This can be anywhere from card to video games. And for the online gamers, you might find some company as well.

Wow.

Postby Darko on Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:08 pm

Gee, they have so much respect for us... :roll:

And to think I used to be angry about this game only because it was raping a brilliant work of classic literature.
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Re: Wow.

Postby destros_elite on Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:10 pm

I think your subject heading says it all, Darko...Wow.
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Re: Wow.

Postby Matthew on Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:17 am

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Re: Wow.

Postby camper on Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:38 am

Not all that surprised, really. I've long been wondering if "God Hates Fags" and Michael Phelps are setup and funded by GLADD as a reverse psychology experiment for the masses.

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Postby chad_ghost on Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:50 am

Terrible ploy but interesting concept for a game. You know, they could have saved a lot of money by just promoting the game. I'm sure there are plenty of churches out there that would protest this :)
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Re: Wow.

Postby Darko on Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:06 pm

camper wrote:Not all that surprised, really. I've long been wondering if "God Hates Fags" and Michael Phelps are setup and funded by GLADD as a reverse psychology experiment for the masses.

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Fred Phelps. Not the guy who wins gold medals.

Actually, the 'elaborate setup' scenario would be much less disturbing than the truth. The story of his turn from a civil rights lawyer fighting against racism to a hate filled monster is cautionary to say the least. I think his own son (who is the family pariah and belongs to a much more typical Christian church) summed it up best when he said that, for his father, it's no longer really about Christianity, or even homosexuality, he just needs SOMETHING to hate, and that's all the fuels him.
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Re: Wow.

Postby camper on Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:36 am

Darko wrote:Fred Phelps.
Actually, the 'elaborate setup' scenario would be much less disturbing than the truth. The story of his turn from a civil rights lawyer fighting against racism to a hate filled monster is cautionary to say the least. I think his own son (who is the family pariah and belongs to a much more typical Christian church) summed it up best when he said that, for his father, it's no longer really about Christianity, or even homosexuality, he just needs SOMETHING to hate, and that's all the fuels him.


Yeah...Fred. Didn't mean the pot-smoking swimmer ;)

Didn't know about the lawyer bit, but I did see that he has a penchant for running for the democratic senate seat for his state. Seems to get a good turnout, too. Scary.

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Postby RevSears on Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:04 pm

it it's reverse physcology it works, especially with the kids. I don't know how many teenagers i've talked to that list things like that as their reason to either not believe in God or to shy away from Church.

As for the issue at hand, not really surprising, Personally i think real church boycotts are occasionally need but always seem to focus on the wrong things. Why worry about Harry Potter? Why not focus all that energy against say, Lawmakers who are pro-choice? Church boycotts happen so much now that you need one to be cool!
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Re: Wow.

Postby chad_ghost on Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:30 pm

RevSears wrote:it it's reverse physcology it works, especially with the kids. I don't know how many teenagers i've talked to that list things like that as their reason to either not believe in God or to shy away from Church.

As for the issue at hand, not really surprising, Personally i think real church boycotts are occasionally need but always seem to focus on the wrong things. Why worry about Harry Potter? Why not focus all that energy against say, Lawmakers who are pro-choice? Church boycotts happen so much now that you need one to be cool!

I heard it best the other day. Instead of churches telling what they don't support, how about we speak out about what we do support.
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Re: Wow.

Postby camper on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:26 pm

RevSears wrote:it it's reverse physcology it works, especially with the kids. I don't know how many teenagers i've talked to that list things like that as their reason to either not believe in God or to shy away from Church.

As for the issue at hand, not really surprising, Personally i think real church boycotts are occasionally need but always seem to focus on the wrong things. Why worry about Harry Potter? Why not focus all that energy against say, Lawmakers who are pro-choice? Church boycotts happen so much now that you need one to be cool!


But there are those who say they aren't Christians because Christians are against being pro-choice, and how could those who believe in a God who instituted free will want to put an end to the execution of free will in the form of the pro-choice movement?

What it all comes down to, is people do not want to be told they don't/you shouldn't/thats wrong/stop/etc to something they WANT to do, and if being Christian means they cant smoke pot, they cant have sex with whoever they want, pornography is wrong, getting drunk every friday is wrong, living with your boyfriend is not a good idea, nudie bars are bad, homosexuality (real or fasionable type) is a no-no, you shouldn't swear, gambling is bad, stealing is wrong, etc then they're instantly at odds with becoming a Christian if they enjoy and/or want to do the above.

When discussing with a person about Christ, one of the first questions to ask IMHO is "If you had definite proof that Jesus is real and all I'm telling you is true, would you believe it if it meant you had to stop doing XXXXXXX?" and if the answer is 'no', then there you have it...nothing you or anyone can say will change a mind that doesn't want to be changed.

As for Christians standing up for what they believe to be right/wrong, well...when we stop drawing lines in the sand guess what? We look just like the world, with good christian women living with their boyfriends, good christian men sleeping around, good christian teens not counting oral sex as sex, good christians getting drunk on friday nights witht heir non christian friends, good christians buying porn, stealing, cursing, lying, having affairs with their neighbors, getting abortions, sleeping around, getting involved in witchcraft etc.

The only way you can tell a great many christians apart from non christians these days, is only by a t-shirt and the off-handed remarks about church. So when a church decideds to go after Harry Potter, they're really starting small so as not to rock the boat, because if they pastor gets up and says "Anyone here having sex outside of marriage, doing drugs, committing adutery, lying, cheating, or stealing, needs to get up and leave right now if they are not willing to begin changing today" will have an almost empty church and he knows it. And, so does the world.

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Re: Wow.

Postby chad_ghost on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:56 pm

camper wrote:The only way you can tell a great many christians apart from non christians these days, is only by a t-shirt and the off-handed remarks about church. So when a church decideds to go after Harry Potter, they're really starting small so as not to rock the boat, because if they pastor gets up and says "Anyone here having sex outside of marriage, doing drugs, committing adutery, lying, cheating, or stealing, needs to get up and leave right now if they are not willing to begin changing today" will have an almost empty church and he knows it. And, so does the world.
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I would love to have this as an audio. Actually, most everything that you type would be great in audio. It'd be like "30 seconds with Camper: setting things straight half-minutes at a time."

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Re: Wow.

Postby destros_elite on Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:01 pm

Well said ,Camper! Well said! I also like Chad's idea. :D

As to Rev's question of why go after Harry Potter? How about...

Galatians 5:19-21 (New King James Version)

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Also...

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (New King James Version)

10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you.

Do a word study on the word "abomination" and see what other sins are an abomination to God and it will cause you to never look at sorcery the same way again! We need to view sin as God does.

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Re: Wow.

Postby RevSears on Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:35 pm

chad_ghost wrote:
RevSears wrote:it it's reverse physcology it works, especially with the kids. I don't know how many teenagers i've talked to that list things like that as their reason to either not believe in God or to shy away from Church.

As for the issue at hand, not really surprising, Personally i think real church boycotts are occasionally need but always seem to focus on the wrong things. Why worry about Harry Potter? Why not focus all that energy against say, Lawmakers who are pro-choice? Church boycotts happen so much now that you need one to be cool!

I heard it best the other day. Instead of churches telling what they don't support, how about we speak out about what we do support.


Great words Chad, and I think it would greatly help us win souls. There are a lot of Shalt nots said, but what about the Shalls or the values we have that make a difference? Actions also speak louder than words, it's cliche, but it's true. Wouldn't crusades be better uses of our time than protests?
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Postby RevSears on Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:15 pm

Can I count this as a school essay,... okay here we go...
I think you missed the point of my post, Chad got it and I think above I reiterated okay when i quoted him. Now on to your post.

camper wrote:
RevSears wrote:it it's reverse physcology it works, especially with the kids. I don't know how many teenagers i've talked to that list things like that as their reason to either not believe in God or to shy away from Church.

As for the issue at hand, not really surprising, Personally i think real church boycotts are occasionally need but always seem to focus on the wrong things. Why worry about Harry Potter? Why not focus all that energy against say, Lawmakers who are pro-choice? Church boycotts happen so much now that you need one to be cool!


But there are those who say they aren't Christians because Christians are against being pro-choice, and how could those who believe in a God who instituted free will want to put an end to the execution of free will in the form of the pro-choice movement?

What it all comes down to, is people do not want to be told they don't/you shouldn't/thats wrong/stop/etc to something they WANT to do, and if being Christian means they cant smoke pot, they cant have sex with whoever they want, pornography is wrong, getting drunk every friday is wrong, living with your boyfriend is not a good idea, nudie bars are bad, homosexuality (real or fasionable type) is a no-no, you shouldn't swear, gambling is bad, stealing is wrong, etc then they're instantly at odds with becoming a Christian if they enjoy and/or want to do the above.

When discussing with a person about Christ, one of the first questions to ask IMHO is "If you had definite proof that Jesus is real and all I'm telling you is true, would you believe it if it meant you had to stop doing XXXXXXX?" and if the answer is 'no', then there you have it...nothing you or anyone can say will change a mind that doesn't want to be changed.


A simple question for you, who hung around with Jesus?

Matthew 9:10 (New International Version)

While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples.

Seems to me the church isn't like that today. Why? Jesus did shy away from the truth, he clearly told others to stop sinning, but he went about teaching the word and drew sinners to himself. While he did (twice) drive some money making "thieves" out of the temple for the most part his focus was telling people to repent. He was not out protesting every sin out there, or certain sins that are more despicable than others. Showing people with your own actions that you love them can go a lot farther than listing everything they are doing wrong, If that wasn't the cause we would be more excited to read about the old testament than the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Being a Christan means you can't do those things, why not tell people what it does mean! I'm not going to buy something sight un seen! give sinners the free tour by explaining your own relationship with Christ and how it is been great for you! The reason prostitutes, tax collectors, and the like went to Jesus is that alot of people that fill there life with that kind of sin, know what they are doing is wrong. to the so-called "righteous" they might not be convinced the christian life could be better than theirs, but the lowly, poor, and lonely? They will gladly trade up! The key is praying for them, the Holy spirit's intervention, and presenting the gospel to them, and having a good walk before them.

I refuse to blame lost people for how bad the world has got, it's our fault for not doing our Job as the body of Christ.
As for Christians standing up for what they believe to be right/wrong, well...when we stop drawing lines in the sand guess what? We look just like the world, with good christian women living with their boyfriends, good christian men sleeping around, good christian teens not counting oral sex as sex, good christians getting drunk on friday nights witht heir non christian friends, good christians buying porn, stealing, cursing, lying, having affairs with their neighbors, getting abortions, sleeping around, getting involved in witchcraft etc.

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You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

What you listed are problems. Why not address the ones in Church rather than the ones outside of it first? We look like hypocrites other wise. But that's what we like to do today, attack abortion on the outside of the church but it's perfectly okay to let hateful people murder others with their words inside the church.
I don't think we disagree on this point, what we seem to disagree on is what to do, where to draw those lines your talking about.

Matthew 7:3 (New International Version)

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
Cleaning up the world has got to start in the Church. We can't eliminate temptations outside in the world, in fact James 1:1 would indicate that would be a blessing if we are greatly tempted, we need to better equip the church and stop worrying about shielding or protecting them.

The only way you can tell a great many christians apart from non christians these days, is only by a t-shirt and the off-handed remarks about church.

I gotta be honest with you Dan. While what you said, "Sounds nice" here it actually isn't it. It's a load of the theological bull crap that's been preached from behind pulpits for years and it's simply not true. Most of it has been directed at Christians for not being separatist enough. A separatist church is not what Christ had in mind, that's an Essene Doctrine.

CHRISTIANS HAVE NEVER BEEN AUTOMATICALLY RECOGNIZABLE.

1 John 2:19 (New International Version)

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

They blend right in with us at first glance, and we blend in with them too, at first glance.

It takes actions to show that a Christian is different from a lost person, not just words, not just dress. In fact a lot of those actions can even be in secert! what does Jesus say about praying and fasting in secret?

Christians look different in God's eyes. From our brief vantage point we can only look at fruit, and we likely aren't seeing all of it even in those we are close too. So be careful next time you judge someone, they may be having a bad time, be a little (or very) backslidden, or they really could be lost, treat them with love!

So when a church decideds to go after Harry Potter, they're really starting small so as not to rock the boat, because if they pastor gets up and says "Anyone here having sex outside of marriage, doing drugs, committing adutery, lying, cheating, or stealing, needs to get up and leave right now if they are not willing to begin changing today" will have an almost empty church and he knows it. And, so does the world.
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Mark 9:47 (New International Version)
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

Jesus sounds pretty radical here Dan, which do you think he would do, Launch an attack on Harry Potter (which is getting kids to read, something we have failed to do) or tell the problem members of his church off?

Besides if we eliminated all the struggling sinners from church who would be left? I hope no one is raising their hand here, unless of course it has a nail scar in it. we all fail sometimes, Christians shouldn't be noted for eating our own. We should help them up, not condone, but aid them. As far as actually kicking them out? How often are the biblical principles for church discipline carried out? and even at the end of that aren't we treat them like a publican or sinner? Meaning we should witness to them and try to win them back for Christ!

also we might want to take a gander back at this thread http://www.army4one.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=788&hilit=harry+potter
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Re: Wow.

Postby RevSears on Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:37 pm

Oh and I hope no one took any of that personally. I like debate, especially with you guys. So if you disagree with me, please let me know! I don't mean anything personal, and expect some disagreements. I think as we debate them it can bring us all closer to the truth.

Especially you camper, I didn't mean to offend if any of that sounded to harsh.
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