Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

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Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby RevSears on Sat May 04, 2013 10:01 pm

So recently an incident occurred at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa that has caused a big stir, someone spoke out against a guest speaker when he was at the pulpit, the secruity group of the church asked him to step out,and then eventually cops were called. In the end, some research shows the guy speaking out was RIGHT ON, so what on earth to do here?

I have attached a video, but please no it has a bias, an i think it's also worth pointing out Costa Mesa may be the first Calvary Chapel, but they do not have direct control over any church. the worst the Calvary Chapel affiliation board can do is unaffiliate you on their website and ask you to stop using their logo. I guess i'm saying that to to distance myself from a bad decision here, i'm just trying to decide how bad.

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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby andrwfields on Sun May 05, 2013 9:06 am

I'll say first that I didn't watch that video all the way through. So if it actually has the event on tape, I missed it.

I would say that it makes sense for larger churches (megas and mini-megas) to have security. As a pastor, after all, you know better than anyone else that not all who go to church have their hearts in the right place! :lol: #christianjoke

But seriously, people could show up to any church with the wrong intentions. The speaker in question is not a white male, thus it stands to reason that there are going to be people out there that strongly oppose him based solely off his nationality and skin color, regardless of the message he delivers.

I think the real question at hand seems to be if the security force acted with the right intentions. If the person that spoke out against this guy posed no threat to him physically, then he should have been allowed to speak.
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby Wowboy on Mon May 06, 2013 3:10 am

I don't see anything inherently wrong with having security. You never know who is going to show up to cause chaos.

I listened to the audio on that youtube video, and you're right... the bias came through loud and clear.

If anyone jumps up and starts trying to shout down whoever is speaking, they should be escorted out. That's just plain rude. Unless the visiting speaker was there on a surprise visit, the member should have had plenty of time to tell the church leadership what kind of man they were inviting to stand behind their pulpit. If the church leadership didn't care whether or not the guy was a fraud, then he should have just not come, and possibly found another church. If he wanted to publicly rebuke the leadership of the church, this was not the way to do it.
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby Matthew on Mon May 06, 2013 10:53 am

We have a security team and emergency medical team. They are quick to respond and have always done a great job keeping commotion to a minimum. I've only seen one person escorted out, and the pastor explained the next week about the entire situation.

I've seen how it has worked for us, so I do think it is okay.
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby RevSears on Tue May 07, 2013 11:15 pm

Thanks for the feedback, I'm still not sure that this guy should have ended up arrested, I just don't want to give authority over to the police unless we have to, as believers we should be able to sort it out.

Andy it does have the audio eventually in the film.

And yes wowboy that video is biased, there are several anti- Calvary folks out there (many of the former Calvary folks, into from the vineyard) and 99% of what i have heard from this is untrue, or very dated information, or demonstrates a lack of understanding of how Calvary church government works. but this one, Calvary was in the wrong for using this guy, i believe that 100%.
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby Wowboy on Wed May 08, 2013 11:54 am

I'm curious, do you know anything more about the incident? Because typically, in situations involving public gatherings and security handling a disruption, the disruptor is asked to leave and will simply be escorted out if he/she cooperates. If the guy resisted at all and continued shouting as they were escorting him, then the security guards would have had no choice but to have him arrested.
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby RevSears on Thu May 09, 2013 11:13 pm

nope I don't, and I try to keep that in mind but it still irks me because this guy was right about the man, and while I think there is a point to saying he could have been more civil or spoke at a different time etc. I also think of Jesus turning over temple tables :(
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Re: Is it okay for a church to have a secruity force?

Postby Wowboy on Sun May 12, 2013 6:21 pm

RevSears wrote:I also think of Jesus turning over temple tables :(


I think it's a very good thing that you are keeping this example in mind. Here's some things that I would consider:

When Jesus turned over the merchants' tables in the temple, it wasn't just a rash reaction. He is the Lord and everything he did was part of a plan. In the case of the temple, he was sending a message that the materialism of the Pharisees was wrong, and would not be tolerated any longer. Remember, it was standard practice in the Roman world to give money in support of local religions in order to placate the local populace, all the while heavily taxing the people and conscripting every able bodied young man and sending them to the opposite side of the Empire. Rather than rejecting Rome and supporting the many insurgencies that the Jewish people had mounted, the Pharisees had become fat with Roman gold and the entire religious order had become materialistic and corrupt. A big part of Jesus' ministry was to criticize this. Obviously, by the time Jesus had come to Jerusalem, the Pharisees hadn't heeded his message and saw him as a threat, prompting him to "speak a bit more loudly" and make an example.

So, here's what I would consider in this case... does this particular guest speaker represent a string of false teachers that had been invited to the church thus indicating a serious flaw in the leadership? Had this member been bringing this to the attention of leadership, only to be ignored, or even seen a malcontent or even a threat?

If the answer to both of these questions is Yes, then I would say that the man acted appropriately.
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